There is a petition going around Athens to get Pool Ranch to stop having events out there. A lady came in to get her hair done where my wife works and so far they have 76 signatures. She was ask to sign and she declined. I think Pool has learned his lesson and will probably just have his five rides a year from now on. I don't think a petition will do anygood cause it is on private property and down a county road. The ranch is a good 20 miles from the nearest town but there is a lot of traffic down those roads at ride time. I still wounder how Highlifter will do the Mud Nationals next year? Maybe they see now what will happen if things get out of hand.

Ronnie

The problem fighting idiots is that they bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience. Will have to make a sign "Not a RedNeck" or "I was not @ the Redneck Games, but got the Girls Gone Wild video of it."

I will say it again...

U Can't Fix Stupid...................

Just got a reply back from Pool Ranch and they just blew off everything that I ask. They are not gonna change anything they do for any events. They said they have gotten more positive Emails than negative. So that means there will be underage drinking,riding 24-7 at all events. They didn't understand that even though they leased the land to a promotor there name is still getting beat up by the media. Oh well,it is there property they can do as they please. Maybe in September they will get raided by the police when they have an event. Wonder what they will think then.

Ronnie

It will take someone getting KILLED to open their eyes up. It will be to late by then. In the mean time all of are guilty by association.

How about the other 5,946of us that just rode and had a good time! I can't say what went on except where we were and when we were there, but we saw nothing you won't see any weekend at almost any atv park, maybe you just have to be a REDNECK to appreciate it. We have met some of the nicest people at each of the 3 Redneck events we have attended. While I don't particularly care for some of promoters tactics, I do like most of the people.
As far as the events, they are held in a designated area and you don't have to attend if you don't want to, and many,including us, didn't! Contrary to the way some are trying to make it sound, it wasn't a bunch of rednecks running up and down the road drinking and chunking mattresses in peoples fields!
I can tell you this, if you are broke down or stuck, you don't even have to ask. There will be someone, usually several, there to help. That's just the Redneck way!
Also, it was, as they all are,billed as an ADULT event, and as for the under age drinking, that's nothing that doesn't happen every weekend in your own home town. I was glad to see that the authorities were there to keep it to a minimum.
I know this post is probably going to make me unpopular with some of you, but each to his own.

Well Cob, I guess we are guilty as charged, and we didn't even drink a drop!
As far as someone getting killed, we personally helped with 2 accidents at a park recently, neither was fatal, but both could have been, and it wasn't even an event weekend. Your accidnent could have been fatal. What we do is dangerous, it just comes with the territory.

CARL good to hear from someone that was there, only takes a few to make all of us look bad. Yes you are right my accident could have been fatal, but wouldn't have carried as much bad publicity as a event that already has a bad rap from the public.

Where there is smoke there is fire. No matter if you partake in the festivities or not the fact they are there and being done by some makes the rest guilty by association. Yes you are right there is most likely drinking by minors here in my home town also. But the fact is that it is going on at a sponsored event that reflects on the ATV COMUNITY as a whole, is what makes this even worse.

Sure riding ATV's is dangerous. Add a 12er and the danger goes through the roof. The permit issue alone would have prevented it from taking place here. Even if the permits were already issued, they would have been revoked after the liquor board saw the advertising. The "you can't do that" because it is private property argument is moot with an event like this. Every bar in the nation is private property. I respect your observation of things. But you are what you portray yourself as being. This event was portrayed as one big drunk fest and it will eventually bring down other ATVer's and the sport as a whole. It is just plain irresponsible for them to promote it like they do. The squeaky wheel will eventually get the grease and the event will be no more no matter what the owner says.

That is what gets me to. Why do these promotors allow underage drinking. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this going on. I see it at every Pool Ranch ride I go to. I am like Cob,when some minor gets hurt bad and a parent wants to sue then Pool will open thier eyes. I go to basically every one they put on and it is just getting worse and worse. Some more people came in today to my wifes hair saloon and said they will never touch foot on Pool soil again. It cost them $100.00 for 2 quads and 1 child and they said it got so bad they left. You must have been in the right place Carl cause all I have heard is how dangerous it was.

Ronnie

I am with most land owners as someone mention above the farming industry is in the crapper, and this is one way to make money. I have no problem with that, and actually more private land owners in Texas have converted their ranches, and farms into great Atv parks, and many of them are loaded every weekend.

However, some events that are thrown are questionable. I have been asked last year to help promote The Redneck Games, and I declined. Hell, I haven't even attended the last two Mud Nationals, because they are so large and over crowded, and the number of incidents are on the rise. I am friends with Scott from Highlifter, and I have attended the very 1sr Mud Nats, 2nd Mud Nats, and the 3rd Mud Nats, but not the last two. The very last one I went too we had an idiot that kept riding through our camp on a dirt bike. Well, some of the guys in our group took things in their own hands, and laid logs, and rocks across his path, and we nearly had a brawl, and it put everyone on edge the rest of the trip. Most of the time will get a small group of friends, and will have our own big mud ride. I just don't care to put up with that many people, and all the crap that comes along with it. The best Mud Nats were when there was less than 2000 people.

I personally would like to see these events treated like concerts. Once all the tickets are sold, that is it no more. Cap, the attendance at whatever amount is comfortable. For me it is more about quality over quantity.

In the end its no sweat off my back, my name isn't on it, and we all can pick and choose what we want to participate in. I have no problem people attending these events or think any less of them, I just don't feel like dealing with that many people or dealing with all those jammed trails. Between the dust and overcrowded trails, I ll pass.

In addition: security is required, control of the alcohol is required, enforcement of the liquor laws is required, occupancy restrictions are required. There are so many things you could do to drastically cut down on the "incidents" and still allow for a fun event. Having so many "incidents" tells me that there was not enough control by the organizers.

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Originally posted by Gomer:
In addition: security is required, control of the alcohol is required, enforcement of the liquor laws is required, occupancy restrictions are required. There are so many things you could do to drastically cut down on the "incidents" and still allow for a fun event. Having so many "incidents" tells me that there was not enough control by the organizers.

I agree alcohol is the #1 problem it is every weekend at these parks. Yes, many people can handle themselves and drink responsibly, but there are many people that can't, and in my opinion this is what really kills the fun. Once the liquid courage kicks in look out.

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Originally posted by jsc:
I was born and raised in the Kilgore area, and firmly believe that the land owner should be able to do as he pleases, AS LONG as it doesnt infringe on someone else. Seems to me like just one big stupid drunk fest, with a bunch of idiots eventually bringing all ATVers down to their level in the public eye.

True, the comment about infringing is tough to define. If the activity is confined completely on private property is that enough to qualify as not infringing?? The courts have said NO! that neighbors have just as much authority over your property as the owner does.

A year ago, my son and I travelled to Yadkinville NC. I was impressed with the ability to gather hundreds of quads, have a quality event, and have everyone behave themselves. Or as I saw it anyway. So I guess it can be done. There was NO drunkiness, no stupids, just a whole lot of sameminded people enjoying themselves.

and while on this subject, I also had the ability to go to Glamis a few thanksgivings ago, and again despite all the negative press, was impressed with how well those hords of offroaders got along, and conducted themselves.

and LaMigra, one can surley respect your decisions in these matters.

I was at the gas station fueling up the atv this morning for a little night ride tonight. The ambulance pulled up and the paramedics ask me if I was at the red neck games and I said no. They said it was a mess. They picked up a guy during the night that was drunk and playing 4 wheeler tag. He said these guys were out in the pasture at night playing tag with the 4 wheelers without any lights on and one got tagged way to hard. I know there were responsible people out there but I have only heard of Carl saying they had any fun. The people that me or my wife have talked to said way to many drunks,no safety anywhere and no security trying to control things.

Ronnie

I have been getting the emails too Ronnie on how bad it was, and how many people are not going back next year. Just too crazy.

This is no surprise I heard the same stuff went on at the Redneck games when they held it in Alto, and I knew from there on, I am not attaching my name to that.

This is an email that was just sent to me, lol. It only gets better I need to start posting all the emails I am getting on this subject.

OSCAR NEEDS HELP!!!!!! The Henderson County Sheriffs Department is threatening to arrest Oscar and charge him with violating a stupid
Texas law called the Texas Mass Gathering Act. Oscar would like for everyone that attended the Redneck Games to e-mail the Athens chamber
of commerce and give them your opinion of the huge amount of money that was spent in and around Athens, Tx by all the Rednecks attending the Games. They are doing their best to keep Oscar from holding any of the Texas Redneck Events at Pool Ranch again. Its just a few old farts that are causing all the ruckus but now the Texas Redneck Events has gained global attention from all of this, which is the only GOOD coming out of the sheriffs department
in Henderson County. Please keep all comments to the chamber of commerce free of foul language or negative remarks. Please make everything positive if you decide to comment to them. Oscar will appreciate any and all help to support his continual production of the Texas Redneck Events where ever they may be held.

Thanks,
Angel Nix
Assistant Event Coordinator
Texas Redneck Events

POOR OSCAR!

Have you got a return address for her. I would like to Email her and ask her a few things.

Ronnie

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Originally posted by Ronnie:
Have you got a return address for her. I would like to Email her and ask her a few things.

Ronnie

No I don't have any return address for her. I ll keep looking.

Guess this means I better ditch the idea for the Damn Yankee In Arkansas Games that I've been planning.