Guys, I just got finished testing the Pit Bull Growlers, and they have another winner, just like the Rockers. I ll have a full report shortly, but here are some pics from the test...

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Can't wait to hear about these. I am still undecided on Rock or Growl's... Obviously they are on a different machine and this may play into some but obviously the snow test is important for us here in Colorado. Look forward to it all....

I am liking the growlers... grrrrr

I will say CF, the Growlers tend to track better than the Rockers, especially at high speeds, that is one of the biggest differences I have noticed.

They hook up really well, dang near impossible to spin, and very tough to break loose. I used to spin the heck out of the Holeshots with the Gade, but with the Growlers, I just launch, very, very good hook up. Little better than Rockers.

Plus, they work very well on the rocks, similar to the Rockers, I ll have more pics and vids shortly.

LaMigraTx...

Did you get a chance to try the Rockers in the snow while you were up there...If I remember the Rocker write up correctly the snow was one condition you didn't get to try with them...Correct me if I recalled incorrectly...Thanks...

John

Hey John,

That same freak snow storm we had in TX that dump 12" of Snow, I had the Rockers out in it, and they worked like chmaps, no problem. I ll be adding to my exisitng review it a snow update. I have more pics and vids of the Rockers in action. Just not enough time in the day to do every thing, lol.

Oh, I also have 1,000 mile update on the Rockers, and you can see them how they are wearing.

Just a side note. I just loaded up my Grizz 700 for a ride in Arkansas, and I was looking at the Terra Cross tires I have on them, and they look like they have 10,000 miles on them, when they only have 600 miles, they are wearing horribly even the XDs. I ll never buy them again.

The review is finished along with the video enjoy. Its on the main page under Growler Part One and Part Two. I am heading off to WPG, AR, I ll be back on Sunday to answer any questions.

Pit Bull Growler Review

Ordered my Growlers today, Dan was a pleasure to deal with, should be here middle of next week, get them mounted so I can ride Texas Creek in a couple of weeks. Yipeeee....

Congrats CF.

Here are the latest dates on the Pit Bull Tire Sizes...

All but the 27.5" growlers, 26.5" growlers and 27.5" rockers. The 27.5" growlers arrive June 10 in 12". The 14@ come in a week I hope. The 26.5" growlers look like late June now. But we have all the 26.5" rockers in stock

The 27.5" rockers won't be available until January.

Oh, on my latest Moab ride in Pritchett Canyon we came across the Rockers bigger brother...

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I was having a hard time trying to figure what you were saying above. But do I understand the 27.5 growlers in early june? Think I'll call LEN, I was impressed with the GROWLERS they were great just need to be 27.5. From the videos earlier I thought the growlers were showing better in the snow, not alot of difference just enough to notice. Can't wait to try them out.

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Originally posted by Cob:
I was having a hard time trying to figure what you were saying above. But do I understand the 27.5 growlers in early june? Think I'll call LEN, I was impressed with the GROWLERS they were great just need to be 27.5. From the videos earlier I thought the growlers were showing better in the snow, not alot of difference just enough to notice. Can't wait to try them out.

yeah, I just copied and pasted what Mike sent me.

27.5 Growlers in June, and 26.5 Growlers in Late-June.

25.5 and 26.5 Rockers are available. Remember the 26.5 Rockers actually measure 27". 27.5 Rockers in January which measure 28" that is a large tire.

I agree Cob a bigger tire in those areas would have been better, hell look at the Jeeps with 31s and 32s, lol.

My 25.5"/26" did okay, but I did have to work them a little more. I would of like the 26.5 at the minimum, and 27.5 at the max...

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There was one place I had cleared and you got hung up, had you had 27.5 you would have cleared it also. GC is the name of the game in the rocks.

I had heart set on ROCKERS but have to admitt that the GROWLERS were impressive also, was nice to see them in action. I just wouldn't be satisfied with a 25.5 or 26.5 inch tire. I also think that 27 is about as big as you want.

My quad sitting along side yours (when you stole air out of my tire) or sitting next to J you could really see the difference.

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Originally posted by Cob:
There was one place I had cleared and you got hung up, had you had 27.5 you would have cleared it also. GC is the name of the game in the rocks.

I had heart set on ROCKERS but have to admitt that the GROWLERS were impressive also, was nice to see them in action. I just wouldn't be satisfied with a 25.5 or 26.5 inch tire. I also think that 27 is about as big as you want.

My quad sitting along side yours (when you stole air out of my tire) or sitting next to J you could really see the difference.

Yeah, I agree Cob, this was another spot I wished I had a larger tire, and this was where I ll almost rolled the tire off for a second time. As soon as the 27.5 come in I m going to get a set, along with a set of bead locks, and just use that as my off camber/technical/rock tire...

I did have the Renegade on some Rocks in Nevada, and Moab with the Growlers, and they did well, I couldn't complain. But, I do like the slightly larger and flatter head on the Rockers vs Growlers, just a little more contact area...

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What did you do to the Clutch To get performance back with these heavy tires.

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What did you do to the Clutch To get performance back with these heavy tires.

Great question Brpbear.

I have to be honest, I personally do not feel I have lost any performance with these tires.

#1 - The Rockers on the Max Ltd. Since I am not racing around, and this machine is designed for trail riding, I have lost Zero performance. I have no problem turning these 25.5" Rockers on the rocks. The 800cc, and stock CVT setup is more than enough to turn these tires in any condition. 4wd, low, I can turn and go where any where this machine and tires. I am even going with the 27.5" Rockers, and Beadlock wheels, and I am still not going to mess with the clutch or motor work. This machine has no problem turning 25s or 27s.

Heck, I would easily run the 25.5 on my Grizz 700, and it would be fine.

Bottom line on my trail riding machines weight of tires is nearly a non-issue, unless my machine is really, really straining in turning the tires and wheels in diffcult conditions. I am not even close having that problem with these tires on my machines.

#2 - Now, where tire weight really concerns me is on my high performance machines, like my Renegade 800R x Xc. The last thing I want is a super heavy tire that robs my machine of overall total performance. Notice I said overall total performance, not just robbing of power. To many people focus on losing power and speed, but don't focus on handling, and feel of the machine.

Having said that, I was really concern about the Pit Bull tires on my High Performance machines. I was concern about the overall performance, so I went with the 25.5" in 6ply on the Growlers.

I wanted the smallest tire possible, and I went with a 6ply over an 8ply, to reduce the weight. Now after riding nearly 800 miles with the Growlers on my Gade, I am 100% happy, and I know for sure I would not go with a larger tire or heavier ply on my Renegade.

Now, if I were drag racing in 300' I would stick with the ITP Hole Shots in 25s. Since weight is critical when drag racing, but for the type of riding I am doing I need a more stouter tire, and the additional weight I am picking up of the Pit Bulls over the ITP Holeshots its a small price to pay, and has very little affect on overall performance.

Bottom line. Personally, I think people make way to much out of tire weight, especially when it comes to trail riding. When the average speed is 14mph for trail riding, and people are tackling difficult obstacles weight is a non-issue, unless your machine is truly struggling. Now, drag racing, or performance riding sure scrutinize the weight of a tire.

Keep this mind, and I know this is the extreme comparison. I am running 28" Outlaws on my Brute Force 750EFI, without zero mods to the clutch. I have zero problems turning these tires in super thick mud even with a stock setup.

It was the effect on the handling by the heavy BigHorns that I didn't like. And still don't.
As I said before.

Turning them over is not an issue, plenty of power for that. It just felt like a lumber wagon when I pushed it a little. That unsprung weight thing.

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It was the effect on the handling by the heavy BigHorns that I didn't like. And still don't.
As I said before.

Turning them over is not an issue, plenty of power for that. It just felt like a lumber wagon when I pushed it a little. That unsprung weight thing.

I hear you Atver and I agree, but only when people start to run 26, 27, or 28 BH or Pit Bulls. Having a 25" I never really felt I "personally" lost any overall performance, and believe me I am super critical on my performance machines when it comes to this machine. I ran 25" BH on my BF 750EFI with zero problem or performance issues...

and zero problems with performance with the 25.5 Pit Bull Growlers...

Now when I ran 27" Bighorns on my OL 800EFI, I hated, hated it from a performance stand point, way to big and way to heavy, however on the flip side when it came to rocks, and technical riding I loved them, its always a trade off...

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What I found that worked well with my 27" Bighorns was a change in the secondary.If you want to change the secondary you can either use a stronger spring or a 650 helix or both if you are in the high county.Their is also a roller secondary that is available.

Good suggestion. I may consider it when I get the 27.5 Rockers with Beadlocks will see.

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Originally posted by LaMigraTx:
Good suggestion. I may consider it when I get the 27.5 Rockers with Beadlocks will see.

I like changing the secondary first because that way you can put off raising engagement RPM.Changing the helix and will also increase belt grip.