The HMF and power commander FINALLY came into the dealers just yesterday!
Now I gotta wait till the 2nd of july to get home and check it out....

Gotta question also... Voodoo you mighta seen it over there too..
Was reading a post about a bigger intake for these and they are ordering the 09 intake for the older models.. There is a definantly noticable difference in size of the two....
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Oh and it FITS...

Now my question.. do you all think it'd be worth it or that it even NEEDS it?? Also what kind of adjusting would be needed after the install?? wouldnt that change quite a bit for the EFI?? I'm not TOO knowledgeable in adjusting the EFI.. Carbs more than the injection......
Thanks.

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Wish I could answer, but I can't. I can't imagine any 800cc machine needing MORE power. But that's me....

yeah, thats what i was thinking... but i was just wondering...
I know on the 700 popo's the 800 intake makes a good difference (that in my opinion it needed)...

Hey Torky... If it did not cost too much ..i think it would be worth the change for sure. I would Imagine a Power Commander would be needed with the larger intake though and with a pipe install... I will contact CC1999...he knows everything about these machines and their performance mods....

Well thats GOOD that a power commander would be needed!! Thats what I just got along with the HMF!!!

Seriously though, I dont know that that bike needs the bigger intake.. I just was curious and figured some of you guys might be also....
Also that what a difference it made on that popo upgrading to 800 intake with a good flowing exhaust and the 800 header..
Justfigured it SHOULD do the same for the can-am.. And maybe a cheap MOD for those interested...
Forme I think the Pipe and Commander will be enough, for NOW!!!

Yep the pipe and PC should give you around a 5 HP increase overall... I am not sure about the 09 intake upgrade though...they are not available yet, so wait and see...

I called CC1999...he will be in here shortly to give U some expert advice.... on what to expect with the upgrade..

I will give you my take on whats what. Pipes by them selves do not need a TFI, now since I am not a mudder and can't confirm the snorckle deal. I have been told that with snorckles you will need one, with custom intakes it gets borderline. The power you gain from just the intakes is my bet near 0, do to the ECMs programing and the sensors accociated with the airflow into the motor. Pipes typically give nice gains sence there are no sensors on the exhaust side to report changes in to the ECM.

IMO, if you want the power of the 09's you will need all of the 09's setup, intakes alone likely will not do much if anything. You will need the 09's cams, the 09s ECM to run everything. So parts alone will get up there pretty much in the 2 grand area. Figure 2500.00 on a turn key 09'upfit. You might see a slight gain by getting just the intake, but when your talking in terms of less than 10% in the fist place, I am not sure if its worth messing with, if you are not going to go all the way with the new setup.

The details of the 09' are not all that clear. For example is the way they worded the press release that the 09 has a 9% power gain on the top end. Thats not saying 9% gain in peak power, its qualified as top end power. Well the current modle falls off up top pretty sharply, dropping about 10% in power till it hits the rev limmit. So one of the things that with the full Ron woods system including there snowmobile intake addaptation Ron sells as his own custom intake, it is much larger than the stock ATV intakes. With the RW intake it will hold near peak power all the way out. So in effect adding 9-10% on top. So this whole 09' deal is not likely to be fully discovered till some people start getting them and testing them to really see what is what.

When words like smoother take off or smoother power delivery are in play like they are with the 09s, I am personally wondering if Can-am beefed up the motor performance and then turned around and put taller gears in it to keep it controlable. Thats exactly what artic cat did with the Thundercats.

More detailed info is need about the 09's to really give more definative answers here.

I agree totally about NOT needing a Power Commander with a Pipe and no other adjustments...i have been running Pipe Alone for over a year now...and my A/F ratio is 12.8 to 1....

I was not sure about the larger intake,,, and needing a Fuel Adjuster....

Well, based upon a couple write ups I read, I thought it a good idea to get a commander... Maybe I spent money when not needed?? But either way, atleast I know the A/F will be right.. They did tests on them with pipes and programmer and with pipes an without and the ones with out were DEFINANTLY running too lean.... Now they were NOT cosistant with every 800 they tested nor were they from 650 to 800cc's...
But either way, I have it now and am out that money so it doesn't matter to me...

Like I said, I was just curious of you guys take on the intake thing.... Thanks for the info cc1999... You are ALWAYS full of knowledge on these machines and many others!!!
And what you said about the top end falling out is very true... And probably is about the same amount of % gain as the 09 models.. I have not looked at it that way until reading your post..
Maybe I DIDN'T buy too early after all!!!
Thanks.

You did right buying the PC... It is for sure a safety factor to assure that you won't run lean... I sometimes worry about mine on long trail rides when it's 90 plus degrees outside...

As far as getting the right machine.... YOU DID.. the 08's are a great machine with plenty of power...